In reply to @windowssmece "i have 1 ": you can do it, but you need to teach orc how to do the management with `destroy=` hooks and friends but... as a retired `--mm:none` defender, I highly advise against using it use arc, and save your life of a few hundred wasted hours 😦 the :none toolchain is nowhere usable. `--mm:arc` is what you want